Message boards : Number crunching : How are credits and work done related?
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As credits are something that is been decided on by the project on the server per WU (-type?), at least there is no connection between anything on my machine and the credits granted (besides the bonus), I'd like to know whether there is any sign about the efficiency of my card for certain WUs that get more per hour. | |
ID: 21920 | Rating: 0 | rate: / Reply Quote | |
Does that mean I should delete all PYRT and cut (if I would manage to write a script for it), because they are absolutely inefficient on my machine? The situation is similar on every PC (PYRT and cut is inefficient compared to mutEGF). If you were having at least a Core i3 system (or overclock your existing system's FSB), the gap would be much less between the efficiency of those workuints. From the community's point of view it's not a good idea to abort the inefficient ones. But from your POW I understand your concern. I was asking a similar question regarding long workunits. It worth a look at there, the answers are nothing specific, mostly BS in my terms. | |
ID: 21924 | Rating: 0 | rate: / Reply Quote | |
I read this answer by gdf: APPLICATIONS And it's not completely compatible with the reality. The application on my machine is always the same, I only run the "short" ones on the GT240. The WUs, i.e. the input data for the application, are of different type. Within one type of WU the runtimes are very consistent, far less than 5% methinks. With one type of WU compared with another type the difference goes are at least 20%, between the extremes cut and mutEGF even over 300%. The setup of the computer is the same for all, tested for maximum efficiency: - Skript to give them niceness of -5 - No SWAN_SYNC - BOINC 6.10.58, ubuntu 10.04, C2Q9450 @ 3.2GHz, GT240 running newest drivers at maximum clock So in theory they should all get roughly the same amount of credits per hour, be that CPU-time or clock-time. As I said in my opening post, credits are the sole responsibility of the project, they are fixed for each type of WU and have no input from my machine (besides the bonus). Ah, and regarding the deadline: Every WU that takes more than 3 days is de facto a wasted one, the real deadline for this project is 3 days. You just keep it at 5 days to give out credits to old machines who should never even begin to run a WU here. The current setup leads to a big waste of ressources from cards, who should either be retired or go to other projects with less strict returning requirements. ____________ Gruesse vom Saenger For questions about Boinc look in the BOINC-Wiki | |
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Hi: I totally agree and personally I have a unique thread on the subject: http://www.gpugrid.net/forum_thread.php?id=2480 Today I received two tasks being performed simultaneously by two users, the problem of three days on one side and five on the other. The truth makes me want to cancel these two tasks that I just received ... Greetings. | |
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Hi, | |
ID: 21938 | Rating: 0 | rate: / Reply Quote | |
Hi, It's on the same machine, all WUs have exactly the same resources, be it RAM (8GB), Nvidia-card (GT240), nice factor, whatever. All run in exactly the same environment but generate extremely different amounts of credit per hour, the extremes are 238 (cut) vs. 750 (mutEGF). Regarding the 3-5 to days deadline. I agree. We are probably going to remove it. We have passed already from 2 to 3. It was created when we did not have the short and long application and is very complicated to do it once we will do a server software update. Does that mean 3 days or 5 days deadline? ____________ Gruesse vom Saenger For questions about Boinc look in the BOINC-Wiki | |
ID: 21939 | Rating: 0 | rate: / Reply Quote | |
Regarding the 3-5 to days deadline. I agree. We are probably going to remove it. The sooner you put an end to it and the waste of resources it promotes the better. | |
ID: 21944 | Rating: 0 | rate: / Reply Quote | |
We can try to look at those two WU locally. 3x it should be impossible. Regarding the 3-5 to days deadline. I agree. We are probably going to remove it. We have passed already from 2 to 3. It was created when we did not have the short and long application and is very complicated to do it once we will do a server software update. Does that mean 3 days or 5 days deadline?[/quote] Most of the results are already coming back in 3 days. 4 days could be a good compromise, but we could keep it to 5 and see how it goes. gdf | |
ID: 21954 | Rating: 0 | rate: / Reply Quote | |
We can try to look at those two WU locally. 3x it should be impossible. Here we go go for some examples of both extremes: cut (with fixed credits of 5929.17476851852) 216-KASHIF_HIVPR_cut_ba1-71-100-RND5282_0: Run time: 89793.187448, CPU time: 1398.37 170-KASHIF_HIVPR_cut_ba1-70-100-RND8805_1: Run time: 89846.026353, CPU time: 1467.29 mutEGF (with fixed credits of 10591.0960648148) p46-IBUCH_1_mutEGF_110726-15-20-RND1842_5: Run time: 50729.373009, CPU time: 1917.21 and some other ones: GS_so (with fixed credits of 12822.1759259259) 357-KASHIF_HIVPR_GS_so_ba1-16-100-RND7458_1: Run time: 96936.183427, CPU time: 1260.3 122-KASHIF_HIVPR_GS_so_ba1-15-100-RND1587_2: Run time: 96907.045078, CPU time: 1270 PYRT (with fixed credits of 2771.44097222222) 184-IBUCH_PYRT_110728-27-50-RND8461_0: Run time: 33667.697068, CPU time: 1932.94 ____________ Gruesse vom Saenger For questions about Boinc look in the BOINC-Wiki | |
ID: 21955 | Rating: 0 | rate: / Reply Quote | |
OK, | |
ID: 21956 | Rating: 0 | rate: / Reply Quote | |
Let me add also that *EGF*, *EGFR*, *PYRT*, *Fab* have a x2 of credits due to their unavoidable higher load of the CPU. In these experiments, we have to use a little iterative script that doesn't run on the GPU... | |
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Let me add also that *EGF*, *EGFR*, *PYRT*, *Fab* have a x2 of credits due to their unavoidable higher load of the CPU. In these experiments, we have to use a little iterative script that doesn't run on the GPU... Not really, because on my host 43404 *PYRT* have the lowest hourly credit rate of all, with under 0.5 (bonus) credit per (runtime) second. | |
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Let me add also that *EGF*, *EGFR*, *PYRT*, *Fab* have a x2 of credits due to their unavoidable higher load of the CPU. In these experiments, we have to use a little iterative script that doesn't run on the GPU... Not really. To quote my starting post here: IBUCH_1_mutEGF (10,591.10 claim): 750 c/h clock, 20.000 c/h CPU IBUCH_PYRT (2771,44 claim): 297 c/h clock, 5.200 c/h CPU Not 3x, but 2.5x the credits for EGF compared to PYRT. ____________ Gruesse vom Saenger For questions about Boinc look in the BOINC-Wiki | |
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I have to appologize and rectify. | |
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Completed the first p18-IBUCH_2_affwtPYRT_110908-0-50-RND0537_0 - that's much more comparable, even if not a little too far the other way. I've received two of the older *PYRT* since then, but don't worry, they'll be completed as normal. | |
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Message boards : Number crunching : How are credits and work done related?