Message boards : Number crunching : 45.000 credits for a "GIANNI"
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My GTX460 just finished one of these wu's. Like always it took about 23 and a 1/2 hours. However, the amount of credit awarded is far less than the usual 67.500. Are the credits being recalculated for this type of wu or is it some kind of error? Thanks | |
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Should have been 45k x 1.5 = 67.5 since received-sent is (barely) within 24h. Edit: a strange interference occurred with another results. The BOINC thing copied the lower credit of the other result. We'll try to see if a fix is possible for this case. | |
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me too. | |
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Norman: yours is a different case - was returned in a short time window around 14/dec when we were fixing the credit calculations. | |
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Should have been 45k x 1.5 = 67.5 since received-sent is (barely) within 24h. Edit: a strange interference occurred with another results. The BOINC thing copied the lower credit of the other result. We'll try to see if a fix is possible for this case. Thanks Toni for your quick response. | |
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OK. | |
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Could someonem please explain to me the 24hr rule and why it justifies an increase in credit? I have received 45000, 56000 and 67500 for various completed "GIANNI" wu's. | |
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The rule is that if you return the result within 24 hours you get a 50% bonus. Why? Well... why not? | |
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The rule is that if you return the result within 24 hours you get a 50% bonus. Why? Well... why not? Well there is a bit more to it than that :-) The results from one set of wu are used to create the next set. That is why the project rewards fast returns. The sooner they can get enough returned they can use the results to create the next set. You can exclude the "long" wu if you have a slower graphics card so that you have a better chance of getting them completed within 24 hours. Check your account preferences on the web site. Another thing to do is run with a minimum cache so you don't have wu sitting in "ready to start" status. | |
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Does this 24 hr rule apply to all Long wu's or just the "GIANNI"wu's | |
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All tasks of all types and size. | |
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My concerns are that if credits are awarded based on an estimate of the amount of flops based on number of iterations, (as far as I am aware all BOINC projects calculate in a similar manner) and we enhance the credits based on a particular time frame to suit the project, which has nothing to do with that, are we "BOINC legal"? | |
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At GPUGrid tasks are generated from the results of other tasks. Therefore the project needs a rapid turn around. You could just as equally consider the 24h time as 100% and take off 25% for a <2day return and 50% for a >2day but <5day return! Then there is a long task bonus, as this also helps the project. | |
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Many thanks | |
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Boinc Manager (Advanced view), | |
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Thank you MarkJ and skgiven for being available at this holiday time it is a pleasure being part of arguablly one of the most worthwhile/best projects within BOINC | |
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My GTX550TI can do the GIANNI WU in just under the 24 hours to qualify for the full bonus. :) | |
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Boinc Manager (Advanced view), I set the "connect every" to 0.1 and have zero in the "additional work buffer". I have the network activity always available. When a wu gets to about 95% done it requests a new wu, so it's got another one by the time the current wu has finished. | |
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I upgraded my video card recently and saw my daily stats shoot through the roof. Then I realized I was getting the long WU's. I turned GPUgrid off and just ran seti for a day to see what kinda stats I would get. GPUgrid definately seem to give a significant bonus over other projects. I guess my only concern is the cobblestone was meant to be a reflection of work done... giving bonuses kinda skews things a bit. Maybe the who cobblestone thing is broken anyways. If you want such fast return times why not just set short deadlines? Do people care enough about these things that a credit war could start between projects who add bonuses to try and attract people? I just pick interesting projects. Give them similar priorty and let them go. | |
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Granite - | |
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Cross-project credit equality took a giant step forward with CreditNew; it makes it possible, but it would still take cross-project adaption, and that cannot really happen until there is GPU to CPU calibration. At present there probably isn't enough projects to make this step solid, but I still expect a method to turn up this year. | |
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By my point of wiev; GPUGRID is not in a credit war. Compare to other project (GTX560Ti factory OC 900 MHz) | |
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You put a bit of work into that analysis, and it's sound. | |
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Yes, very useful. Thanks. | |
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Just had a GIANNI wu completed and returned within 24 hrs but have been cedited with 45000 | |
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There seems to be a very large difference in the time taken on the "GIANNI" wu's on the same machine. As low as 17hrs and up to double that. No changes or use on that machine. | |
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Any ideas as to why there should be such a time range?Some. Compare time per step of these tasks. Maybe admins will answer you better as your hosts are hidden. | |
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Hosts should now be showing | |
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Hosts are now showing. | |
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Hosts are now showing. Not anymore. Don't understand why one would have any desire to hide them anyhow. That aside I have noticed that different work units in this project give vastly different credit even for a given run time. Does the amount of computation done per second actually vary that much from one task type to another? (b/c gpu utilization seems to be fairly similar) Don't know if i've seen much variation in credit within a specific task name however I suppose I've seen time variations. Perhaps the calculatons can vary substantially within a task type? BTW I haven't seen any task type use more than ~90% gpu often only using ~80%. Is this normal for a 460? ____________ | |
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Thanks for the response but I think it was simply the cards downclocking ... now sorted. | |
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By my point of wiev; GPUGRID is not in a credit war. Compare to other project (GTX560Ti factory OC 900 MHz) Just a question on this one. you refer to the GPuGrid longruns with 100% cpu consumption. Are you referring there to not having any other tasks running on your computer at all apart from running the GpuGrid task? I ask because I currently run an i7-2600k@4.5 under win7 64bit that crunches 8 WCG tasks and 2 gpugrid tasks (560ti2gb @ 860Mhz and a 460 1gb @800Mhz) and have no trouble completing Nathans in around 32k for the 460 and 26k for the 560. both normally return 35811points, though I've just noticed a couple of 31500. not sure what that's about. | |
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Are you referring there to not having any other tasks running on your computer at all apart from running the GpuGrid task?I am running 3 CPU tasks and 1 GPUGRID task (4CPU Xeon, set "use at most 99% of the processors"). both normally return 35811points, though I've just noticed a couple of 31500. not sure what that's about.....NATHAN_CB1... gives 35,811 credits, ...NATHAN_FA5...gives 31,500 credits, both with 50% time bonus. | |
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ah. ok thanks. | |
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Im currently running my 470 at 800 core and I have swan_sync=0 and in boinc manager settings I have set on multiprocessor systems use at most 75%. | |
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All tasks of all types and size. So how do we know if the credits are doubled or not? People here are talking about getting up to 67,500 credits for one units yet I am getting a fairly consistent 35,000 for per unit. Here is one of my units: http://www.gpugrid.net/result.php?resultid=5048734 I KNOW there are MANY reasons for different credits being awarded to different people, I just don't know how to tell if I am getting double credits for returning them on time. | |
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There is no credit breakdown, or formula, just "Credit 35,811.00". | |
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Message boards : Number crunching : 45.000 credits for a "GIANNI"